Comments on: 1-22 - My Fault? http://www.penancecomic.com/2007/04/02/1-22-my-fault/ a roguelike webcomic Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:59:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Maverick http://www.penancecomic.com/2007/04/02/1-22-my-fault/#comment-349 Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:12:18 +0000 http://www.penancecomic.com/2007/04/02/1-22-my-fault/#comment-349 Yes, the real world has jerks and back stabbers. However, the video game world brings them out. Most jerks in the video game world are, or would be, jerks in the real world. Here's the thing, in order to be a jerk in the real world you have to have the power to back it up because people aren't going to stand for being pushed around if they don't have to. Jerks of all physical sizes can be jerks in the video game world when they don't care about the game because there are no out-of-game consequences. People who are jerks in a more behind-the-scenes way in real life, as opposed to your classic bully, might not have to have the physical size to be that kind of jerk, but they have to be careful who the use and who they stab in the back. Even if they are careful to not back stab someone bigger than themselves, word will usually get around as to what kind of person they are and they will run out of people to use. On top of this, they will eventually find themselves alone without any real friends. Pertaining to the comic: Leon is telling the maintainer that it's his fault for having rules and enforcing them. How would it go over if you tried to get out of a speeding ticket by saying that it's the government's fault for having the speed limit there? MAYBE a lifetime ban was too harsh, but it's the Maintainer's game and therefore he can make the rules and the consequences. In playing the game, Leon is agreeing to abide by the rules or face the consequences. Leon doesn't even say that he went through the proper channels to try to appeal his lifetime ban and make it a temporary ban followed by probation. He immediately tried to find other ways in. That's why he is at fault and not the Maintainer. Haha, ok, I'm done now. On the subject of the comic specifically: I'm continuing to enjoy the recap and commentary. The storyline draws you in and the artwork is superb on all fronts. I enjoy the insight into the creation of each page that the commentary gives. It also make me, like Hugo, notice a lot more details that I didn't notice the last time around. Yes, the real world has jerks and back stabbers. However, the video game world brings them out. Most jerks in the video game world are, or would be, jerks in the real world. Here’s the thing, in order to be a jerk in the real world you have to have the power to back it up because people aren’t going to stand for being pushed around if they don’t have to. Jerks of all physical sizes can be jerks in the video game world when they don’t care about the game because there are no out-of-game consequences. People who are jerks in a more behind-the-scenes way in real life, as opposed to your classic bully, might not have to have the physical size to be that kind of jerk, but they have to be careful who the use and who they stab in the back. Even if they are careful to not back stab someone bigger than themselves, word will usually get around as to what kind of person they are and they will run out of people to use. On top of this, they will eventually find themselves alone without any real friends. Pertaining to the comic: Leon is telling the maintainer that it’s his fault for having rules and enforcing them. How would it go over if you tried to get out of a speeding ticket by saying that it’s the government’s fault for having the speed limit there? MAYBE a lifetime ban was too harsh, but it’s the Maintainer’s game and therefore he can make the rules and the consequences. In playing the game, Leon is agreeing to abide by the rules or face the consequences. Leon doesn’t even say that he went through the proper channels to try to appeal his lifetime ban and make it a temporary ban followed by probation. He immediately tried to find other ways in. That’s why he is at fault and not the Maintainer.

Haha, ok, I’m done now. On the subject of the comic specifically: I’m continuing to enjoy the recap and commentary. The storyline draws you in and the artwork is superb on all fronts. I enjoy the insight into the creation of each page that the commentary gives. It also make me, like Hugo, notice a lot more details that I didn’t notice the last time around.

]]> by: Ojomax http://www.penancecomic.com/2007/04/02/1-22-my-fault/#comment-292 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:09:37 +0000 http://www.penancecomic.com/2007/04/02/1-22-my-fault/#comment-292 OK, that's one factor against him, but it's apparently allowed within Mythband rules. Anyway, it's quite realistic. That's why our world sucks, too. It brings the jerks out. OK, that’s one factor against him, but it’s apparently allowed within Mythband rules. Anyway, it’s quite realistic. That’s why our world sucks, too. It brings the jerks out.

]]> by: Atarlost http://www.penancecomic.com/2007/04/02/1-22-my-fault/#comment-291 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:32:51 +0000 http://www.penancecomic.com/2007/04/02/1-22-my-fault/#comment-291 Except that Leon goes around killing people and taking their stuff and lies to newbies and then kills them and steals their stuff when they realize he's leaching off them. That's why PVP sucks. It brings the jerks out. Except that Leon goes around killing people and taking their stuff and lies to newbies and then kills them and steals their stuff when they realize he’s leaching off them.

That’s why PVP sucks. It brings the jerks out.

]]> by: Hugo Kornelis http://www.penancecomic.com/2007/04/02/1-22-my-fault/#comment-290 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:43:59 +0000 http://www.penancecomic.com/2007/04/02/1-22-my-fault/#comment-290 In a single-player *band, save-scumming harms nobody (except, maybe, the player). In a multi-player *band (as Mythband appears to be), things change. Consider artifacts. There's only one of each. If my character has the Phial, your character has no chance of finding it - until my character dies. Save-scumming would rob your character of it's fair chance to find the Phial, and any other artifacts my character has. Now that I'm commenting anyway, I'll also take the opportunity to thank JD and Craig for reposting the comics (great to read them again) and for adding the comments (they make me notice a lot of details I woould otherwise have missed). I'm really looking forward to the new episodes. Keep up the good work! Best, Hugo In a single-player *band, save-scumming harms nobody (except, maybe, the player). In a multi-player *band (as Mythband appears to be), things change. Consider artifacts. There’s only one of each. If my character has the Phial, your character has no chance of finding it - until my character dies. Save-scumming would rob your character of it’s fair chance to find the Phial, and any other artifacts my character has.

Now that I’m commenting anyway, I’ll also take the opportunity to thank JD and Craig for reposting the comics (great to read them again) and for adding the comments (they make me notice a lot of details I woould otherwise have missed). I’m really looking forward to the new episodes. Keep up the good work!

Best, Hugo

]]> by: Ojomax http://www.penancecomic.com/2007/04/02/1-22-my-fault/#comment-289 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 06:09:38 +0000 http://www.penancecomic.com/2007/04/02/1-22-my-fault/#comment-289 Hmm. Looks like I'm still the one person who can understand Leon. His logic sounds perfectly right to me. It was not Leon who banned him from Mythband, nor was it Leon who made it so hard for him to get back. Leon never made anything to make Mythband forbidden for him (save-scumming doesn't count. What bad is it to anyone? Just some fun for Leon: fun for 1, bad for 0, therefore the right thing to do.). What did the Maintainer do? Ban him from Mythband for life, which was very bad for Leon and furthermore didn't do anyone any good and was therefore stupid and the wrong thing to do. Not Leon's fault, is it? It's Maintainer's fault. Also Maintainer's fault for not following this logic, admitting his mistake and letting Leon back into Mythband. (Although as far as I recall it won't be long until he does "accept" Leon into Mythband...) Hmm. Looks like I’m still the one person who can understand Leon. His logic sounds perfectly right to me. It was not Leon who banned him from Mythband, nor was it Leon who made it so hard for him to get back. Leon never made anything to make Mythband forbidden for him (save-scumming doesn’t count. What bad is it to anyone? Just some fun for Leon: fun for 1, bad for 0, therefore the right thing to do.). What did the Maintainer do? Ban him from Mythband for life, which was very bad for Leon and furthermore didn’t do anyone any good and was therefore stupid and the wrong thing to do. Not Leon’s fault, is it? It’s Maintainer’s fault. Also Maintainer’s fault for not following this logic, admitting his mistake and letting Leon back into Mythband. (Although as far as I recall it won’t be long until he does “accept” Leon into Mythband…)

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